(10-03-2018, 01:38 PM)VLJ_imp Wrote: misterprofessionality, I think that in the case of the CB1100 the lure for most people certainly isn't that it provides the most engine for the dollar, even if you're talking about a heavily discounted 2014 Standard model. Honestly, 550 lbs divided by 85 low-revving ponies is not that difficult to beat, even at the Honda's deeply discounted price. The new Z900 or FZ-09, for example, can be purchased for the same price as a discounted CB1100, and they won't be four model years old, and their engines will annihilate the CB's big mill. Factor in the CB's 25% higher curb weight, and the motor/performance disparity grows that much larger.

Plain and simple, people buy the CB because they think it looks really cool. From there, further justifications such as comfort, Honda build quality, a relaxing ride, etc., are added, but the alpha and omega of any CB1100 purchase is the buyer's fondness for the Honda's timeless, classy style.

(10-03-2018, 10:15 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote:

(10-02-2018, 11:07 PM)The ferret_imp Wrote: Im not sure where I stand. I do believe people should be able to modify their personal bikes however they wish. Im not sure how far I want Honda to modify our bike however.

ABS ok I get that, even have it on my DLX ( have yet to need it, but may someday). It also has digital gear indicator, and a trip computer both of which I like, but neither of which was the cause for me buying the bike. My 13 CB 1100 had neither., and it was a perfectly fine bike.

Slipper clutch? Ok, makes pulling the clutch lever easier, engagement feels the same. ( have it on my FJR). Downshifting multiple times at high speed I don't understand, because I have never ridden like that, there for in that respect it has no benefit for me personally

Quick shifter.. Another electronic aid I don't understand.I just dont personally understand the need to shift without using the clutch. Maybe on the racetrack, but not on the street.

Ride modes, traction control, cruise control, have those on the FJR as well. So far the only thing that has been of any benefit to me has been the cruise control. But then again it is a sport tourer designed for long distance interstate travel, and a cruise control comes in handy then. I brought it home from the dealer in Tour mode, and I have never even tried it in sport mode. I'm happy with Tour mode. I imagine the TC could come in handy some day. We shall see. Then again it is a 675 pound 145 hp beast, unlike the mild mannered CB.

hill assist, fob starting, multi axis smu, all available on some modern bikes but just unnecessary things to go wrong eventually imo. On a recent tour with my doctor on a BMW RT both his hill assist and the fob thingy caused issues. I prefer the key.

Liquid cooling... Surely a benefit for engine longevity and power, but interestingly I think for many that would be the line in the sand. " Yea give me all the technology available, but absolutely NO water cooling"

Modify them too much and you've gone beyond the intended mission I think, but all this is just personal opinion.

I also don't understand fender eliminators and loud exhaust.. Or riding helmetless and in shorts and flip flops...but like I said I do believe everyone should be able to do what they want with their bikes... And bodies.

You read my mind.
I want the motorcycle that is under my control not a tech loaded supersonic jet with gizmos...and CB truly is what I want it to be

(10-03-2018, 09:43 AM)Bheezy27403_imp Wrote: "just buy a different bike" is a common phrase here, and the TRat forum too for that matter. I believe MisterP has a good point of view about the costs being a factor. But, at it's core, I believe most of people who spew the phrase are just completely enamored by the bike and see it through rose (Honda Red?) colored glasses. It's perfect for them so any change is some sort of an abomination. Which, of course, is fine if they feel that way but I don't believe it needs to be said ad nauseum.

Fact is it's a great bike stock but it also is a great platform for different visions.

(10-03-2018, 05:46 PM)Cormanus_imp Wrote:

(10-03-2018, 10:15 AM)peterbaron_imp Wrote:

(10-02-2018, 11:07 PM)The ferret_imp Wrote: Im not sure where I stand. I do believe people should be able to modify their personal bikes however they wish. Im not sure how far I want Honda to modify our bike however.

ABS ok I get that, even have it on my DLX ( have yet to need it, but may someday). It also has digital gear indicator, and a trip computer both of which I like, but neither of which was the cause for me buying the bike. My 13 CB 1100 had neither., and it was a perfectly fine bike.

Slipper clutch? Ok, makes pulling the clutch lever easier, engagement feels the same. ( have it on my FJR). Downshifting multiple times at high speed I don't understand, because I have never ridden like that, there for in that respect it has no benefit for me personally

Quick shifter.. Another electronic aid I don't understand.I just dont personally understand the need to shift without using the clutch. Maybe on the racetrack, but not on the street.

Ride modes, traction control, cruise control, have those on the FJR as well. So far the only thing that has been of any benefit to me has been the cruise control. But then again it is a sport tourer designed for long distance interstate travel, and a cruise control comes in handy then. I brought it home from the dealer in Tour mode, and I have never even tried it in sport mode. I'm happy with Tour mode. I imagine the TC could come in handy some day. We shall see. Then again it is a 675 pound 145 hp beast, unlike the mild mannered CB.

hill assist, fob starting, multi axis smu, all available on some modern bikes but just unnecessary things to go wrong eventually imo. On a recent tour with my doctor on a BMW RT both his hill assist and the fob thingy caused issues. I prefer the key.

Liquid cooling... Surely a benefit for engine longevity and power, but interestingly I think for many that would be the line in the sand. " Yea give me all the technology available, but absolutely NO water cooling"

Modify them too much and you've gone beyond the intended mission I think, but all this is just personal opinion.

I also don't understand fender eliminators and loud exhaust.. Or riding helmetless and in shorts and flip flops...but like I said I do believe everyone should be able to do what they want with their bikes... And bodies.

You read my mind.
I want the motorcycle that is under my control not a tech loaded supersonic jet with gizmos...and CB truly is what I want it to be

So, hypothetically, of course, what happens if the next bike that comes along that really presses all your buttons is "... a tech loaded supersonic jet with gizmos"? Would you not buy it? Or would you think it OK to buy it and modify it by removing some of the gizmos?

(10-03-2018, 09:43 AM)Bheezy27403_imp Wrote: "just buy a different bike" is a common phrase here, and the TRat forum too for that matter. I believe MisterP has a good point of view about the costs being a factor. But, at it's core, I believe most of people who spew the phrase are just completely enamored by the bike and see it through rose (Honda Red?) colored glasses. It's perfect for them so any change is some sort of an abomination. Which, of course, is fine if they feel that way but I don't believe it needs to be said ad nauseum.

Fact is it's a great bike stock but it also is a great platform for different visions.

There's two good points right there, Bheezy.

I used to be a bit of a if-you-want-to-change-so-much-about-it-why-don't-you-get-a-different-bike kinda guy, but I've changed my mind. It seems to me people buy bikes for a whole range of reasons. I bought the CB1100 because it pressed lots of buttons and I don't have a great need to change it. It's fine for me pretty much just the way it is. I just want to ride it and it's pretty good for that. I know it may be sacrilege to say this, but I'd probably still have bought it had it been water cooled.

For others, though—VLJ perhaps—the bike is a beautiful thing and lovely to ride, but it would be way better with more ponies. I don't know whether he's of a disposition to tinker; if not, I guess he'll live with it. For others, the bike is a work of art to be guarded, kept dry, polished detailed and rolled out for occasional show. For others—Aussieflyer, PowerDubs, Chris Kent, Café Project may be examples—the bike represents a starting point for some creative expression. They do that, because they have an idea and they can bring it to fruition and they enjoy the whole process of fiddling and wrenching and tweaking and trying stuff out.

I've come to realise that any of those approaches, as well as any other you can think of is just fine. Isn't it?