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CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - Printable Version +- The CB1100 Community Forum (https://cb1100forum.net/forum) +-- Forum: Honda CB1100 Discussions (https://cb1100forum.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=5) +--- Forum: Mechanical & Technical (https://cb1100forum.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=7) +--- Thread: CB1100 Idle speed instability problem (/showthread.php?tid=4140) Pages:
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RE: CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - Jfro5687_imp - 12-10-2020 Just caught up on the last few pages. Forum troll? Reminded me of pretty much any social media platform of late, angry shouty rants that achieve nothing. Just tries to upset otherwise happy people. I don't read or look at it any more and if I happen across it. turn off. RE: CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - pdedse - 12-11-2020 (12-10-2020, 04:08 PM)iamheero_imp Wrote: Hello all, To clarify: 1) valves were actually adjusted or just checked? Not sure if that would matter, but curious 2) was the shop that adjusted the valves the same that did the professional tuning? Sounds like it, but just to confirm 3) what did the professional tuning involve? 4) and there was no hint of high / low idle issue before valve adjustment / tuning, correct? My '14 standard (I no longer have it) started with high idle and then low idle developed a few months afterwards. High idle: would stay at 1700-1800rpm after warming up. Low idle would happen after an hour of riding and then coming to stop, sputter at 550-600 rpm and then creep up to maybe 700. Only died twice, possibly because I knew it was coming and gave it a bit of gas. Some trips I would start with high idle and then finish with low. All the above was intermittent. Some days I wouldn't have any issues, but most days I did. Anyway, that was the behavior of mine so that you can compare. RE: CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - iamheero_imp - 12-11-2020 Hi Pdedse, 1) The valves were adjusted! I asked for the actual measurements but when I turned up they just handed over the bike and I was so excited to ride I forgot to get them. 2) The shop that did the valves did the tuning. 3) The tuning was on a dyno and adjusting a Power Commander 5 4) There was SOME hint of it, but it never died before that happened. I had a couple instances where the idle was higher than normal, but nothing lower until after this service. @Max: I would be interested in bypassing the IACV by disconnecting it after it's warmed up, I have a general idea of where the IACV is but thought it was inaccessible without removing a lot of plastic behind the throttle body assembly? My first instinct was to take it back to the same shop and have them check for vacuum issues. The problem with my setup is it's a very dark apartment garage, no place to actually remove the tank or get any serious work done unfortunately! The previous maintenance I mentioned was all done on the side of the road in front of my building. RE: CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - max - 12-11-2020 Just disconnected the iacv before starting the bike, the normal rpm is1050 and the bike started immediately and idled at 850 rpm quite happy. The ambient temperature here is 22deg c and the check engine light did come on and blinked to indicate it had set a code, upon shutting the engine down, re-connecting the iacv connector and re starting everything was back to normal, no cel and revs at 1500. The tank has to be unbolted with a 12 mm spanner on the rear end after removing the seat and lifted 1,5 inches in my case with a piece of wood under the tank to gain access to the plastic ( push pin type) phillips screw on the right hand side of the picture which then allows the black plastic cover to hinge forward and come off the two position tabs on the bottom of the cover; The cover can then be removed and the iacv cable disconnected by pushing on the locking tab on the left side of the connector and pulling the connector up; Here is the 4 pole connector unplugged by pushing the locking tab on the left, it may be possible to insert two resistors in the connector to stop the cel light coming on; So it can be done with the proviso's mentioned and provide you with some time to evaluate the situation and possibly make another video on yt so we get a better idea. RE: CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - iamheero_imp - 12-11-2020 @Max: That seems very doable. To be clear, is the idea to do that after the bike is warmed up and running or before you start it up with a cold engine block? I might even be able to get in and do a before/after video tomorrow. RE: CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - max - 12-11-2020 Exactly, when the desired rpm is achieved ( warmed up ) shut the key off, the iacv will remain in that position until the key is turned on ( because you disconnected the power from the e.c.u. ) and the iacv etc. initiates the bike with a new position. So to be clear; 1100 rpm, shut the KEY off and disconnect the iacv, done. RE: CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - pdedse - 12-12-2020 (12-11-2020, 11:51 AM)iamheero_imp Wrote: Hi Pdedse, Darn, I was hoping that your bike would have exhibited no signs of hi/low idle before the work done on your bike, because then you could have more readily suspected something happened when they worked on it. The fact that you did have some hi idle before any work done could mean that '17ex IACVs may be susceptible to "issues" like was the case for a number of pre '17s. This would be unfortunate if true because I believe the part numbers are different for '17 IACV and those of earlier years--the hope was that Honda realized something was wrong and made a change to rectify the problem. That is speculation from comments made here in the forums. The low idle only happened once you got the bike back, so you might think that this developed as a result of work done. And that may be the case. Yet, that was my progressively worse pattern over time on my '14 standar and no work was done on my bike between hi and low idle issues...meaning your low idle could be unrelated to valve adjustment and the tuneup you described. My bike hi/low idle issue history if I remember right, problem started at around 10k miles: July: first sign of high idle, 17-1800 rpm; hot day, ocurred right after filling up for gas--I mention this because a couple others reported the same. August: intermittent high idle, usually starting a few miles after warming up September: tried many of the things you mentioned, some seemed to work, meaning that the issue went away for a few rides, then came back October: first low idle issue, back and forth between low and high November: same as October, but less frequent problems maybe cooler temps? At some point disconnect and reconnect TCI (was that it?) seemed to make the problem go away, maybe 5 rides with no issues. December: traded the bike in for a Street Twin--was on my "some day" list and they had a great price and they gave me a decent trade in on the CB1100. Fast forward...missed the CB1100 more than I liked the Street Twin, timing was right because of a good price on a leftover '17, found a buyer for the Triumph, didn't lose too much, and I moved on. Now at 11k miles, my '17ex has been perfect...so admittedly, I was really hoping for no news of '17s having issues. Hopefully, you will find a solution that doesn't involve replacing the IACV. RE: CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - dave - 12-12-2020 I also hope other members who have had iacv issues will check in and verify your diagnosis and/or ask for some more details before advising something. I was one of the first on this forum to experience the idle issues. My bike exhibited ALL of the identical symptoms listed by the numerous posts throughout this thread. I had my bike back to the shop, and contacted Honda customer service directly, where they provided totally unacceptable (lack of) support, that I will not get into here because I posted all of this information previously. Just wanted to confirm that replacing the IACV immediately and completely cured all of my isle issues. It's been about 15,000 miles, and the issue has NEVER returned. The IACV cost was relatively inexpensive, but replacing it was a PITA - but absolutely worth it. RE: CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - max - 12-12-2020 cel light stays off. To fool the ecm into thinking the iacv is still connected i connected two 100 ohm resistors into the 4 pole connector as follows; This solved the "cel" from blinking since the coils are around 100 ohms as well, i tried 470 ohms too but the ecu did not like these values so 100 ohms it is. If you need some help locally just show someone technical this picture, they will know exactly what to do and put something protective around the exposed parts, we don't want to short out anything. Also playing with the idea to put 100uf capacitors across each coil of the iacv, this may make the pulses last longer and giving the iacv enough time to move correctly, remember it's only just not running correctly and the two caps may just be enough to help it along, just guessing here with the scope readings in mind. Just my guess but i think the permanent magnets inside the iacv are deteriorating due to heat, mechanically there is no reason the iacv is not functioning correctly and with the short pulse with it is just not enough energy to motivate the piston reliably, see Dave's results as well. Thanks for your input Dave! CB1100 Idle speed instability problem - PowerDubs_imp - 12-12-2020 Yeah a little kick in the butt from a cap sounds like a good experiment. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |