That's great work Cafe. I can fair believe the amount of snagging you'll have to do but, when you nail it, it will be totally unique. Nice one, good luck with the rest of it.
The weight lost will make a big difference.
So, made a little more progress. Got the front brake lines sorted, the GSXR originals did not fit at all. Some aftermarket Galfer, dual line braided hoses worked a treat, quality stuff too. Got the clutch master cylinder clearance issue sorted. Found a lovely little plastic bung to hide the hole where the ugly stock mirror went on the clutch side. It looks great now. Let me know if you want to ditch the stock mirrors for bar end mirrors, 'cos this bung fills the hole in really nicely. Also fitted a new Brembo radial brake reservoir - it looks great.
Spent hours getting the rear wheel centered and the chain aligned. Found out that one stock shock mount was tweaked in the accident and I was using that as a reference point. Darn it! So i ran a fishing line with a weight on from the steering stem (no tank) across the frame and through the cross-member where the seat was. This showed me that the wheel was 1mm too far right with the chain aligned nicely. I think I am going to leave it 1mm off center so that the chain runs true.
I made the real swing arm spacers today too. I had been using plastic ones for ease of modification. I used the Ducati spacers that were on the 1198 swing arm and then used the original Honda spacers (cut down) to fill in the gaps at each side and in the middle. Pleased with my little self.
Also bit the bullet and bought a used Ducati 1198 frame (overkill, I know) so that I could use the suspension top mount from that frame instead of having to fabricate one. At least I know that it is strong enough and will fit exactly. It also allows me to cheat and get the suspension geometry (pivot to shock mount distance and angle) correct with way less hassle.
Has anyone else ditched the evap canister? I am asking for a friend obviously. Any issues? The book says that it is USA only. I may need the space that it occupies for suspension clearance. Looks to be USA emissions ridiculousness.
I also noticed while reading the book (geek, I know) that the fuel injection uses the rear wheel sensor input. The Ducati sensor is way different in what it reads, by that I mean that the spinning disks are very different so the signal from the sensor is bound to be different too. I wonder if that will cause any fueling issues?
I ditched the big ugly evap canister on my Aprilia. However, this was in Ontario. I suspect some states, possibly California for example, may look down on this practice. As for the bike, it did not run no worse or better.
(12-29-2018, 11:47 AM)Cafe Project_imp Wrote: [ -> ]So, made a little more progress. Got the front brake lines sorted, the GSXR originals did not fit at all. Some aftermarket Galfer, dual line braided hoses worked a treat, quality stuff too. Got the clutch master cylinder clearance issue sorted. Found a lovely little plastic bung to hide the hole where the ugly stock mirror went on the clutch side. It looks great now. Let me know if you want to ditch the stock mirrors for bar end mirrors, 'cos this bung fills the hole in really nicely. Also fitted a new Brembo radial brake reservoir - it looks great.
Spent hours getting the rear wheel centered and the chain aligned. Found out that one stock shock mount was tweaked in the accident and I was using that as a reference point. Darn it! So i ran a fishing line with a weight on from the steering stem (no tank) across the frame and through the cross-member where the seat was. This showed me that the wheel was 1mm too far right with the chain aligned nicely. I think I am going to leave it 1mm off center so that the chain runs true.
I made the real swing arm spacers today too. I had been using plastic ones for ease of modification. I used the Ducati spacers that were on the 1198 swing arm and then used the original Honda spacers (cut down) to fill in the gaps at each side and in the middle. Pleased with my little self.
Also bit the bullet and bought a used Ducati 1198 frame (overkill, I know) so that I could use the suspension top mount from that frame instead of having to fabricate one. At least I know that it is strong enough and will fit exactly. It also allows me to cheat and get the suspension geometry (pivot to shock mount distance and angle) correct with way less hassle.
Has anyone else ditched the evap canister? I am asking for a friend obviously. Any issues? The book says that it is USA only. I may need the space that it occupies for suspension clearance. Looks to be USA emissions ridiculousness.
I also noticed while reading the book (geek, I know) that the fuel injection uses the rear wheel sensor input. The Ducati sensor is way different in what it reads, by that I mean that the spinning disks are very different so the signal from the sensor is bound to be different too. I wonder if that will cause any fueling issues?
The project looks great - nice work.
Just 1 mm mis-alignment is nothing - probably better than stock!
On 2013 models, the speed sensor input has no influence on fuel injection, and looks like you're not running stock gauges anyway.
It is illegal to disconnect the evap cannister when ridden on the streets, so when you're at Daytona, you could remove it. Just make sure the line from the tank remains clear, and the one to the throttle bodies is blocked (or you could connect the tank line to the t-bodies).
(12-29-2018, 03:32 PM)pekingduck_imp Wrote: [ -> ] (12-29-2018, 11:47 AM)Cafe Project_imp Wrote: [ -> ]So, made a little more progress. Got the front brake lines sorted, the GSXR originals did not fit at all. Some aftermarket Galfer, dual line braided hoses worked a treat, quality stuff too. Got the clutch master cylinder clearance issue sorted. Found a lovely little plastic bung to hide the hole where the ugly stock mirror went on the clutch side. It looks great now. Let me know if you want to ditch the stock mirrors for bar end mirrors, 'cos this bung fills the hole in really nicely. Also fitted a new Brembo radial brake reservoir - it looks great.
Spent hours getting the rear wheel centered and the chain aligned. Found out that one stock shock mount was tweaked in the accident and I was using that as a reference point. Darn it! So i ran a fishing line with a weight on from the steering stem (no tank) across the frame and through the cross-member where the seat was. This showed me that the wheel was 1mm too far right with the chain aligned nicely. I think I am going to leave it 1mm off center so that the chain runs true.
I made the real swing arm spacers today too. I had been using plastic ones for ease of modification. I used the Ducati spacers that were on the 1198 swing arm and then used the original Honda spacers (cut down) to fill in the gaps at each side and in the middle. Pleased with my little self.
Also bit the bullet and bought a used Ducati 1198 frame (overkill, I know) so that I could use the suspension top mount from that frame instead of having to fabricate one. At least I know that it is strong enough and will fit exactly. It also allows me to cheat and get the suspension geometry (pivot to shock mount distance and angle) correct with way less hassle.
Has anyone else ditched the evap canister? I am asking for a friend obviously. Any issues? The book says that it is USA only. I may need the space that it occupies for suspension clearance. Looks to be USA emissions ridiculousness.
I also noticed while reading the book (geek, I know) that the fuel injection uses the rear wheel sensor input. The Ducati sensor is way different in what it reads, by that I mean that the spinning disks are very different so the signal from the sensor is bound to be different too. I wonder if that will cause any fueling issues?
The project looks great - nice work.
Just 1 mm mis-alignment is nothing - probably better than stock!
On 2013 models, the speed sensor input has no influence on fuel injection, and looks like you're not running stock gauges anyway.
It is illegal to disconnect the evap cannister when ridden on the streets, so when you're at Daytona, you could remove it. Just make sure the line from the tank remains clear, and the one to the throttle bodies is blocked (or you could connect the tank line to the t-bodies).
Thanks Peking Duck, that is what I had hoped to hear about the FI and the evap canister. I would never do anything illegal, as I mentioned, I was asking for a friend about the canister.
Just got the Ducati frame. Very interesting. It gives me an idea of the amount of pre-load on the rear suspension spring. It also shows me that the top shock mount needs to be quite low and canted forwards towards the airbox. I am going to have to get creative with the airbox for sure. Wish I could just stick 4 K&Ns on the throttle bodies.....
Lastly, it shows how having the engine as a stressed member in the Ducati allows for a very light frame. There is nothing to it compared to the CB1100 one.
(01-02-2019, 12:14 PM)Cafe Project_imp Wrote: [ -> ]Just got the Ducati frame. Very interesting. It gives me an idea of the amount of pre-load on the rear suspension spring. It also shows me that the top shock mount needs to be quite low and canted forwards towards the airbox. I am going to have to get creative with the airbox for sure. Wish I could just stick 4 K&Ns on the throttle bodies.....
Lastly, it shows how having the engine as a stressed member in the Ducati allows for a very light frame. There is nothing to it compared to the CB1100 one.
Just wondering why you can't stick 4 x k&n's on the TB's? I ran mine open for a while, worked fine. Lost a bit of grunt but it flew up top. Sounds great to. I am running a Dynojet O2 Commander/Auto Tune, but you could set a Power Commander up to fuel correctly.