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(06-29-2016, 03:02 PM)Macross_imp Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2016/...illed-off/

The CBR600RR and CBR1000RR are both antiques. No wonder they can't meet current standards.

If you look at the SP model of the Fireblade you can see where additional sound control was added in the form of plastic covers on the lower engine. Due to the added power, which really wasn't much.

The problem is a redesign of the entire motorcycle. They will need a different engine, with different internals which can deaden noise from gears and combustion. The water jacket design and the design of the gears and chains inside the engine are critical. The transmission will require a complete redesign. This is an old, old motorcycle. My CB1100 is more advanced, and I am not kidding, the tech on that bike is superior in terms of design and manufacture.

Everyone else is making a bike that can be sold and meets standards, and moreover, those bikes are more powerful and lighter than the Honda. GSX-R 600/750 are class-leading to this day and very light/powerful. R6, good bike, fast, powerful, legal.

Honda has dropped the ball on their sportbike line and they now offer antiques. Full analog bikes.

Instead of putting Ohlins suspension on the Fireblade and calling it special they should have put the time into designing an all-new bike. That, to me, was just about like being stuck on stupid. How many street riders need full Ohlins on that bike? Zero. How many guys are buying that bike to race, where the Ohlins might be useful. Zero.

And now they cut the 600? Honda, what the heck are you doing?

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That's a real shame. There are a lot of sportbike riders that vastly prefer the 600 class over the liter-bikes. The 600RR was an immensely popular model in that class here, in Japan, and in the UK, due to its speed, packaging and scalpel-like, predictable, and almost intuitive handling, and of course, Honda quality and dependability.
This is almost beyond my comprehension that Honda would let this bike - and this kind following - just die by the side of the road.

The story from the link in the OP tells more about the practice of building street bikes that are really designed for racing purposes - which may be reaching a point of diminishing returns. Honda's heritage springs as much from the Super Cub as the CBR600 - though both are important. They're just the first to accurately read the tea leaves. Maybe supersport/superbike racing should be based on ready-to-race units, or kits, built to a price rather than "street" bikes hopped up under a strict rules regime?

Also, the assault in the ICE is progressing rapidly. Modern ICE machines, clean as they have become, are more frequently viewed as nasty and "anti-environmental". As "green" alternatives become more viable, carbon ICE-based transportation will become almost antisocial.

I think it's a nod to fashion (read:ADV). Just think how much R&D money went into the CBR line over the past two decades, not to mention the cost of supporting their racing effort. I'm guessing if Honda felt they could still make money selling these bikes, they would. Stunned, like the rest of you.

Funny this is even a thread here, not many sportos on this forum. The CBR600RR is a vintage motorcycle as is the CBR1000RR. Neither is the slightest bit competitive anywhere, either racing or for a track day or street-oriented sportbike. They are slow, and have no electronics. The big fun in modern superbikes is the traction control, you can really get on the stick early and blast around, and they are rocketships in a straight line. The CBR1000RR is very slow, and feels slow, compared to any other superbike. The CBR600RR is even worse off, it's slow, and just doesn't have any feature that would sell it other than the Honda badge.

For example, you have the Kawasaki Ninja 636, with traction control and great 600-class engine with a nice meaty bottom end and excellent handling. Triumph makes its 675 triple Daytona, not a good racebike but a great streetbike, gutsy and handles really well on the tight stuff. Then of course, the GSX-R 600/750 and the YZF-R6, all class-leading, feature-rich motorcycles in zero danger of extinction. Ducati has its 899, and so on.

Honda have got to revamp their entire sportbike line. And they will. Who remembers the advent of the Hurricanes? Completely upset the balance of power. You never see them on the road anymore, most of them were crashed, but they crushed the competition and the 600 Hurricane was the pre-eminent production roadracer for some time.

Whatever Honda have got coming it will be good, very good. Because what they have got now is not very good at all.

All new Fireblade coming in 2017, with all the electronics. As for the 600 being slow, it is still one of the most sublime handling machines ever made, and while long in the tooth, is still, in the right hands, capable of outstanding performance. And the entire Moto 2 series is powered by the CBR 600 engine.

The Fireblade took multiple TT podiums this year and won outright in the 2015 senior. It's a fantastic road bike.

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