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What I think it all boils down to is....Honda NA has no faith in the "sport touring" platform as a category that stands on its own. they have reasoned that they can sell ADV bikes to literally anybody that is looking for a sport touring bike and not have to split their inventory between different models. Frankly, if you look at all the motorcycle brands lately you could reason that none of them really have faith in "sport touring" as a category. Even those that offer bikes will barely ever give them showroom space. Yamaha and BMW might be the only exceptions, and BMW is starting to distance themselves from the category too.
(12-08-2024, 09:34 PM)Tev62_imp Wrote: [ -> ]They have addressed all of the criticism of the early Honda NT1100's attracted with the new 2025 launch bike. A lot of practical changes, bigger panniers that can now take a full face helmet, redesigned screen which you can adjust on the bike and an electronic suspension option. They have also added a 6-Axix IMU to give it cornering ABS & Traction.

The 6-Axis IMU is an important component in conjunction with the DCT version of the bike. It makes much more intelligent decisions on changing gears.

I spent 12 days in the Dolomites earlier this year with a group of riders. One fella was two up on his 2024 DCT NT1100. Hairpin bends up and down mountains was our lot every day. He found his DCT changed gear at the most inappropriate times and he found it more than a little stressful. He found himself using the manual finger shifts most of the time instead. The new 6-Axis input into the bikes DCT brain should mitigate some (maybe all) of the silly gear change choices the bike can make.

It has been restyled a little bit too, for the better I think. Looks well in the Ash Metallic and Blue too.

Nice looking bikes. My NC 750 DCT gear changes are almost imperceptible, even in a corner, I'll look down at the gauges and find the gear number different than it was before. I WILL use the down shift paddle before going up a hill or going down hill thru tight curves. I find the DCT trans brilliant. If they have found a way to improve it, that's amazing.
To Misterprofessionality's point, there's a bit of homogenization in the motorcycle market here in the U.S. just like there is in the car market.

Want a regular sedan or coupe, and not a box with a big door on the back? Well, you can have a Mustang, the only non SUV/CUV left from a domestic maker. The Japanese and Korean brands still make them, and they still sell. Granted, taking Mrs. G as an example, she went from a Civic to a CRV, and says that for the practicality, she'll never go back to a sedan again. The SUV is a jack-of-all-trades.

Well, a mid to large adventure bike sort of is as well. Outfit a Transalp, VStrom, etc with luggage, and I can carry a whole office anywhere for any distance. It will also go on a trail if I want it to. The other extreme is the luxury barge. When I asked the salesman about bikes like the FJR, he offered to let me sit on a Goldwing. Yeah, not there yet, even if it will back up and creep forward out of a tight parking spot on it's own like a Tesla.

For me, this all a mental exercise. I'm now overstuffed in the garage bringing the third bike home from my office, who's autopilot is pointed at a mountain two weeks away. Plus, I'd have to drop a bike to get one, and I love my children too much to wish one of them off of the island right now. Once I get the shop set up in Mom's garage, it will be different story.
(12-09-2024, 02:02 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-08-2024, 09:34 PM)Tev62_imp Wrote: [ -> ]They have addressed all of the criticism of the early Honda NT1100's attracted with the new 2025 launch bike. A lot of practical changes, bigger panniers that can now take a full face helmet, redesigned screen which you can adjust on the bike and an electronic suspension option. They have also added a 6-Axix IMU to give it cornering ABS & Traction.

The 6-Axis IMU is an important component in conjunction with the DCT version of the bike. It makes much more intelligent decisions on changing gears.

I spent 12 days in the Dolomites earlier this year with a group of riders. One fella was two up on his 2024 DCT NT1100. Hairpin bends up and down mountains was our lot every day. He found his DCT changed gear at the most inappropriate times and he found it more than a little stressful. He found himself using the manual finger shifts most of the time instead. The new 6-Axis input into the bikes DCT brain should mitigate some (maybe all) of the silly gear change choices the bike can make.

It has been restyled a little bit too, for the better I think. Looks well in the Ash Metallic and Blue too.

Nice looking bikes. My NC 750 DCT gear changes are almost imperceptible, even in a corner, I'll look down at the gauges and find the gear number different than it was before. I WILL use the down shift paddle before going up a hill or going down hill thru tight curves. I find the DCT trans brilliant. If they have found a way to improve it, that's amazing.

When I was sitting on a new NC in the showroom and the salesman told me that they are discontinuing the manual trans model, I was lamenting it, but he said I'd love the DCT and never miss shifting. I noticed the lever on the left side of the handlebar and pulled it till it clicked and then released it and returned it to its flat position.
"Huh, parking brake because you can't leave it in a gear. Neat."

He then said that I was the first person he'd seen who sat on the bike and figured that out without having to be told.

Another fun exchange with the salesman - he asked what I rode, and when I said CB1100, he asked a lot of questions about it. I showed him a few pics of it on my phone, and he said "Hey, I have a customer asking me to locate a clean one for him. I can get you a good price for yours!"

Mrs. G, rummaging through their clearance t-shirt rack nearby overheard and said "Save your breath, that's the one he'll never sell."
(12-09-2024, 03:01 AM)Gone in 60_imp Wrote: [ -> ]To Misterprofessionality's point, there's a bit of homogenization in the motorcycle market here in the U.S. just like there is in the car market.

Want a regular sedan or coupe, and not a box with a big door on the back? Well, you can have a Mustang, the only non SUV/CUV left from a domestic maker. The Japanese and Korean brands still make them, and they still sell. Granted, taking Mrs. G as an example, she went from a Civic to a CRV, and says that for the practicality, she'll never go back to a sedan again. The SUV is a jack-of-all-trades.

Well, a mid to large adventure bike sort of is as well. Outfit a Transalp, VStrom, etc with luggage, and I can carry a whole office anywhere for any distance. It will also go on a trail if I want it to. The other extreme is the luxury barge. When I asked the salesman about bikes like the FJR, he offered to let me sit on a Goldwing. Yeah, not there yet, even if it will back up and creep forward out of a tight parking spot on it's own like a Tesla.

For me, this all a mental exercise. I'm now overstuffed in the garage bringing the third bike home from my office, who's autopilot is pointed at a mountain two weeks away. Plus, I'd have to drop a bike to get one, and I love my children too much to wish one of them off of the island right now. Once I get the shop set up in Mom's garage, it will be different story.
(12-09-2024, 02:02 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-08-2024, 09:34 PM)Tev62_imp Wrote: [ -> ]They have addressed all of the criticism of the early Honda NT1100's attracted with the new 2025 launch bike. A lot of practical changes, bigger panniers that can now take a full face helmet, redesigned screen which you can adjust on the bike and an electronic suspension option. They have also added a 6-Axix IMU to give it cornering ABS & Traction.

The 6-Axis IMU is an important component in conjunction with the DCT version of the bike. It makes much more intelligent decisions on changing gears.

I spent 12 days in the Dolomites earlier this year with a group of riders. One fella was two up on his 2024 DCT NT1100. Hairpin bends up and down mountains was our lot every day. He found his DCT changed gear at the most inappropriate times and he found it more than a little stressful. He found himself using the manual finger shifts most of the time instead. The new 6-Axis input into the bikes DCT brain should mitigate some (maybe all) of the silly gear change choices the bike can make.

It has been restyled a little bit too, for the better I think. Looks well in the Ash Metallic and Blue too.

Nice looking bikes. My NC 750 DCT gear changes are almost imperceptible, even in a corner, I'll look down at the gauges and find the gear number different than it was before. I WILL use the down shift paddle before going up a hill or going down hill thru tight curves. I find the DCT trans brilliant. If they have found a way to improve it, that's amazing.

When I was sitting on a new NC in the showroom and the salesman told me that they are discontinuing the manual trans model, I was lamenting it, but he said I'd love the DCT and never miss shifting. I noticed the lever on the left side of the handlebar and pulled it till it clicked and then released it and returned it to its flat position.
"Huh, parking brake because you can't leave it in a gear. Neat."

He then said that I was the first person he'd seen who sat on the bike and figured that out without having to be told.

Another fun exchange with the salesman - he asked what I rode, and when I said CB1100, he asked a lot of questions about it. I showed him a few pics of it on my phone, and he said "Hey, I have a customer asking me to locate a clean one for him. I can get you a good price for yours!"

Mrs. G, rummaging through their clearance t-shirt rack nearby overheard and said "Save your breath, that's the one he'll never sell."

Good Girl!
(12-09-2024, 04:52 AM)pdedse_imp Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-09-2024, 03:01 AM)Gone in 60_imp Wrote: [ -> ]To Misterprofessionality's point, there's a bit of homogenization in the motorcycle market here in the U.S. just like there is in the car market.

Want a regular sedan or coupe, and not a box with a big door on the back? Well, you can have a Mustang, the only non SUV/CUV left from a domestic maker. The Japanese and Korean brands still make them, and they still sell. Granted, taking Mrs. G as an example, she went from a Civic to a CRV, and says that for the practicality, she'll never go back to a sedan again. The SUV is a jack-of-all-trades.

Well, a mid to large adventure bike sort of is as well. Outfit a Transalp, VStrom, etc with luggage, and I can carry a whole office anywhere for any distance. It will also go on a trail if I want it to. The other extreme is the luxury barge. When I asked the salesman about bikes like the FJR, he offered to let me sit on a Goldwing. Yeah, not there yet, even if it will back up and creep forward out of a tight parking spot on it's own like a Tesla.

For me, this all a mental exercise. I'm now overstuffed in the garage bringing the third bike home from my office, who's autopilot is pointed at a mountain two weeks away. Plus, I'd have to drop a bike to get one, and I love my children too much to wish one of them off of the island right now. Once I get the shop set up in Mom's garage, it will be different story.
(12-09-2024, 02:02 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-08-2024, 09:34 PM)Tev62_imp Wrote: [ -> ]They have addressed all of the criticism of the early Honda NT1100's attracted with the new 2025 launch bike. A lot of practical changes, bigger panniers that can now take a full face helmet, redesigned screen which you can adjust on the bike and an electronic suspension option. They have also added a 6-Axix IMU to give it cornering ABS & Traction.

The 6-Axis IMU is an important component in conjunction with the DCT version of the bike. It makes much more intelligent decisions on changing gears.

I spent 12 days in the Dolomites earlier this year with a group of riders. One fella was two up on his 2024 DCT NT1100. Hairpin bends up and down mountains was our lot every day. He found his DCT changed gear at the most inappropriate times and he found it more than a little stressful. He found himself using the manual finger shifts most of the time instead. The new 6-Axis input into the bikes DCT brain should mitigate some (maybe all) of the silly gear change choices the bike can make.

It has been restyled a little bit too, for the better I think. Looks well in the Ash Metallic and Blue too.

Nice looking bikes. My NC 750 DCT gear changes are almost imperceptible, even in a corner, I'll look down at the gauges and find the gear number different than it was before. I WILL use the down shift paddle before going up a hill or going down hill thru tight curves. I find the DCT trans brilliant. If they have found a way to improve it, that's amazing.

When I was sitting on a new NC in the showroom and the salesman told me that they are discontinuing the manual trans model, I was lamenting it, but he said I'd love the DCT and never miss shifting. I noticed the lever on the left side of the handlebar and pulled it till it clicked and then released it and returned it to its flat position.
"Huh, parking brake because you can't leave it in a gear. Neat."

He then said that I was the first person he'd seen who sat on the bike and figured that out without having to be told.

Another fun exchange with the salesman - he asked what I rode, and when I said CB1100, he asked a lot of questions about it. I showed him a few pics of it on my phone, and he said "Hey, I have a customer asking me to locate a clean one for him. I can get you a good price for yours!"

Mrs. G, rummaging through their clearance t-shirt rack nearby overheard and said "Save your breath, that's the one he'll never sell."

Good Girl!

I bought her a new shirt...
Good man lol!

I went the opposite way in vehicles. I had a Honda Ridgeline pickup since new in 2010. My wife drives a Toyota Highlander SUV. My daughter asked if I would be interested in selling her my truck. Sure (I basically gave it to her) and I bought a Toyota Camry SE 4-cyl 4-door sedan. I'm don't drive a cage very often (my truck had 64,000 miles on it in 14 years). I didn't really NEED a truck, and it got between 16 & 19 mpg. Same as my wife's Highlander, about 19 mpg. I had rented a 4-cyl Camry one time when we went to New England and really liked it, and it averaged 38 mpg, so that's what I bought to replace the truck. Trouble is, I let my wife drive the Camry and she loves it, and has already put 10,000 miles on it, while I'm now relegated to driving the Highlander with a "Gams of 5" license plate lol (in the same time, since February, I have only put 1,000 miles on the Highlander lol)
Why not downsize the fleet, Ferret? Get rid of the Highlander. By my reckoning, that leaves you a Mustang, a Camry, a scooter, a CB1100 and an NC750X. The money you save on registration and insurance is will keep a bike or two in fuel.
"Gams of 5"... oh boy.

Reminds me of when I broke my left foot and couldn't shift a bike or my car. Coincidentally my Mom was away on vacation, so I drove her bubblegum blue Saturn with "Crazy Cat Lady" stickers on it till my foot healed.

Our car mileage is way lopsided too. Since my Fiesta is a manual Mrs. G doesn't drive it, and since it has the ride quality of a shopping cart, she doesn't like riding in it too much. It just hit 60k and is nine years old. Meanwhile, her CRV has rolled 150k during that time.
(12-09-2024, 09:27 AM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: [ -> ]Why not downsize the fleet, Ferret? Get rid of the Highlander. By my reckoning, that leaves you a Mustang, a Camry, a scooter, a CB1100 and an NC750X. The money you save on registration and insurance is will keep a bike or two in fuel.

^^+1^^, downsizing is a hard decision but wise one.
(12-09-2024, 09:27 AM)Cormanus_imp Wrote: [ -> ]Why not downsize the fleet, Ferret? Get rid of the Highlander. By my reckoning, that leaves you a Mustang, a Camry, a scooter, a CB1100 and an NC750X. The money you save on registration and insurance is will keep a bike or two in fuel.

Lol well all I own is a Camry, a CB 1100 with 76,000 miles, and an NC 750, with a soon to be 54,000 miles.

I can't sell what I don't own. You'll have to talk to Mrs Ferret about the rest. Good luck with that and let me know how that goes. ROFL
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