09-30-2018, 09:20 PM
09-30-2018, 09:50 PM
As for my comment about expensive tools: The reason I'm not keen on it is i'm kind of neck-deep in another project for this month that is already eating up the amount of money i'm willing to spend in a given period of time on "bike things." I wouldn't have gotten started on something else if I'd known i didn't have what I needed to put these sliders on.
I broke a second wrench last night before giving up (crescent) since it was the only other thing I had in 14mm. Houtman gave good advice about loosening the nut instead of the bolt. I will give that a try, though it's harder to reach now that I only have a big adjustable wrench to work with. somebody else mentioned penetrating oil, and i have something quite similar to that I can use to try and give it some grease.
I'll either break a third wrench or round off the nut....stay tuned.
I broke a second wrench last night before giving up (crescent) since it was the only other thing I had in 14mm. Houtman gave good advice about loosening the nut instead of the bolt. I will give that a try, though it's harder to reach now that I only have a big adjustable wrench to work with. somebody else mentioned penetrating oil, and i have something quite similar to that I can use to try and give it some grease.
I'll either break a third wrench or round off the nut....stay tuned.
09-30-2018, 10:10 PM
You need to use a breaker bar. Just go to harbor freight and buy one before you do more damage! An adjustable wrench is absolutely the wrong tool for the job.
Do you have a torque wrench for the installation part of this project?
Do you have a torque wrench for the installation part of this project?
09-30-2018, 10:33 PM
(09-30-2018, 10:10 PM)riggies_imp Wrote: [ -> ]You need to use a breaker bar. Just go to harbor freight and buy one before you do more damage! An adjustable wrench is absolutely the wrong tool for the job.
Do you have a torque wrench for the installation part of this project?
I agree, loosen the nut, not the bolt, and please use a proper socket on it. A rounded off nut will be a bear to deal with.
09-30-2018, 10:57 PM
(09-30-2018, 10:33 PM)Rocky_imp Wrote: [ -> ](09-30-2018, 10:10 PM)riggies_imp Wrote: [ -> ]You need to use a breaker bar. Just go to harbor freight and buy one before you do more damage! An adjustable wrench is absolutely the wrong tool for the job.
Do you have a torque wrench for the installation part of this project?
I agree, loosen the nut, not the bolt, and please use a proper socket on it. A rounded off nut will be a bear to deal with.
I agree, loosen the nut, not the bolt, and please use a proper socket on it. A rounded off nut will be a bear to deal with.
+1 and use a 6 point shallow socket with 2-feet Johnson bar.. if nut/bolt ass-y turns together, need to hold the bolt's head by wrench and continue loosening the nut by Johnson - as already suggested by other members. Apply WD-40 to the nut and let is soak for a while.
Good luck.
09-30-2018, 11:07 PM
(09-30-2018, 10:10 PM)riggies_imp Wrote: [ -> ]You need to use a breaker bar. Just go to harbor freight and buy one before you do more damage! An adjustable wrench is absolutely the wrong tool for the job.
Do you have a torque wrench for the installation part of this project?
This is good advice. If you can't afford it this month, wait until you can.
09-30-2018, 11:39 PM
To answer some follow up questions, I just looked up what a torque wrench costs, and I can say with some certainty that it is far outside my price range for this month and the next if i'm to stay on schedule.
The good news about the poor bolts i'm mistreating is that the frame sliders come with all new fresh bolts. Once I get them on I won't have to worry too much about that. I just have to get the old ones off before i reach the point of no return.
The good news about the poor bolts i'm mistreating is that the frame sliders come with all new fresh bolts. Once I get them on I won't have to worry too much about that. I just have to get the old ones off before i reach the point of no return.
10-01-2018, 12:05 AM
MP, you can get a decent torque wrench on amazon for $35 that is fine for using every once in a while. The high dollar ones are for mechanics that are going to use them every day.
10-01-2018, 12:15 AM
Always buy high quality tools , I have a German socket set : Kampmann , bought 55 years ago and still perfect , also like the Gedore wrenches. Low quality tools will give busted knuckles , rounded nuts and bolts and LOTS of frustration. Buy tools ONCE !
10-01-2018, 12:22 AM
Crescent (or any other brand adjustable end wrench) have their use, such as plumbing, for which I own a 10" and 12". They would be better never (rarely?) used on motorcycle or automotive applications.
Use a box wrench or socket, whenever possible. Use an open wrench when not possible. A 6 point socket is much preferred to prevent rounding of the hex nut or bolt head.
Not having the correct tool can be costly.
When you do have a socket and breaker bar, keep CCW tension on the bar, as it will
a. reduce the chances of the socket slipping off the nut and
b. minimize the chances of the bar bouncing back at you
In the mid-ninties, my #2 son-in-law used my garage in Flagstaff to work on his VW hippy van.
He asked for help removing the axle nuts. The correct size 6 point socket, 3/4 drive breaker bar, with along pipe extension did NOTHING. He then borrowed a short (very short) brass wrench, designed for impact and smacked it with a 2# hand sledge and the nut broke loose the first try.
Excluding saws, a couple larger wrenches and hammers/mallets, all my tools fit in 4 drawers of a relatively small roll-away...not an extensive collection. When I closed Cycle Tuning Unlimited in the mid eighties, I gave away all my specialty tools.
The point is that a collection of proper tools does not need to be extensive.
Screwdrivers, good quality. Torx drivers, nut drivers, Metric hex drivers all optional. Caliper, feeler gauges, spark plug gauges, accumulate as needed.
Pliers, including long nose, diagonal cutters, wire strippers, Visegrips, and for electricians, Channellock arc joint pliers.
Sockets, hex bits (Metric & SAE), Torx bits, ratchets, extensions, breaker bars. Sockets: Start with 3/8 drive (8mm to 19mm) and add as needed.
Wrenches and L wrenches, Metric and SAE
These are what I consider very basic tools, which I keep in my truck (for insurance purposes, I keep an inventory):
Channellocks, 420
Diagonal cutters, Channellock 338
Vise Grips, Irwin 4LN 4” long nose
Screwdriver, Klein 603-4 #2 Phillips
Screwdriver, Klein 602-4DD 1/4" keystone demolition grade
3/8” extension, 10” Craftsman 44262
3/8” extension, 6” Craftsman 44261
3/8” extension, 3” Craftsman 44264
3/8” extension, 1” Craftsman 43537
3/8” sockets, SK 7mm to 19mm
3/8” Torx bits, Stanley T10-T50
3/8” Metric bits, Husky 4, 5, 6, 8, 10 mm, #2,#3 Phillips
3/8” plug socket, Husky 5/8"
3/8” ratchet, Stanley 7-85-715
10 mm ratcheting wrench, Kobalt 338397
These fit in two Klein pouches, tucked away under back seat with tow strap, jumper cables, tie downs, fastener assortment, foot pump, 8mm-19mm combo wrenches, spare fuses, multimeter, OBD2 tester.
Good point! Definitely do NOT buy cheap tools. Decent ones will pay for themselves.
If the roll-away in my garage is stolen or I need more tools than tucked away in my truck, my backup/spare tool bag has these (still limited to 19 mm):
Channellock 909 crimpers (USA)
Channellock 3017 long nose (USA)
Channellock 338 diagonal cutters (USA)
Channellock 908 multi wire stripper/crimpers (USA)
Crescent 10” adjustable end wrench (USA)
Channellock 357 end nippers (USA)
Channellock 369 linesman pliers (USA)
Channellock 430 arc groove pliers (USA)
Irwin 7R Visegrips (USA), Irwin 4LN Visegrips (USA)
Klein 604-3, #0 x 3” Phillips screwdriver (USA)
Klein 608-3, 1/8 x 3” screwdriver (USA)
Bondhus T9-T40 Torx L wrench set (USA)
Bondhus 1.5-10 mm metric L wrench set (USA)
Bondhus 0.050-3/8” fractional L wrench set (USA)
3/8 drive 1”, 3” 6” extensions, Craftsman 43537, 44264, 44261 (USA)
3/8 drive Craftsman 44373 #4 Phillips bit
Husky awl 693-239 (USA)
Klein 601-4, 3/16 x 4” screwdriver (USA)
Klein 600-4, ¼ x 4” screwdriver (USA)
Klein 603-4, #2 Phillips x 4” screwdriver (USA)
Klein 603-3, #1 Phillips x 3” screwdriver (USA)
Stanley 7-85-715 3/8 drive ratchet
Stanley 8-19 mm Metric combination wrench set/roll bag
SK Wayne 7-19 mm 3/8 drive socket set/metal tray (USA)
Stanley 16 oz ball peen hammer
Klein 603-6, #3 Phillips x 6’ screwdriver (USA)
Klein 600-6, 5/16 x 6” screwdriver (USA)
Klein 600-8, 3/8 x 8” screwdriver (USA)
For working on the CB, missing would be the larger wrenches and 1/2" drive sockets, but otherwise could do most of the work on it and then some.
Use a box wrench or socket, whenever possible. Use an open wrench when not possible. A 6 point socket is much preferred to prevent rounding of the hex nut or bolt head.
Not having the correct tool can be costly.
When you do have a socket and breaker bar, keep CCW tension on the bar, as it will
a. reduce the chances of the socket slipping off the nut and
b. minimize the chances of the bar bouncing back at you
In the mid-ninties, my #2 son-in-law used my garage in Flagstaff to work on his VW hippy van.
He asked for help removing the axle nuts. The correct size 6 point socket, 3/4 drive breaker bar, with along pipe extension did NOTHING. He then borrowed a short (very short) brass wrench, designed for impact and smacked it with a 2# hand sledge and the nut broke loose the first try.
Excluding saws, a couple larger wrenches and hammers/mallets, all my tools fit in 4 drawers of a relatively small roll-away...not an extensive collection. When I closed Cycle Tuning Unlimited in the mid eighties, I gave away all my specialty tools.
The point is that a collection of proper tools does not need to be extensive.
Screwdrivers, good quality. Torx drivers, nut drivers, Metric hex drivers all optional. Caliper, feeler gauges, spark plug gauges, accumulate as needed.
Pliers, including long nose, diagonal cutters, wire strippers, Visegrips, and for electricians, Channellock arc joint pliers.
Sockets, hex bits (Metric & SAE), Torx bits, ratchets, extensions, breaker bars. Sockets: Start with 3/8 drive (8mm to 19mm) and add as needed.
Wrenches and L wrenches, Metric and SAE
These are what I consider very basic tools, which I keep in my truck (for insurance purposes, I keep an inventory):
Channellocks, 420
Diagonal cutters, Channellock 338
Vise Grips, Irwin 4LN 4” long nose
Screwdriver, Klein 603-4 #2 Phillips
Screwdriver, Klein 602-4DD 1/4" keystone demolition grade
3/8” extension, 10” Craftsman 44262
3/8” extension, 6” Craftsman 44261
3/8” extension, 3” Craftsman 44264
3/8” extension, 1” Craftsman 43537
3/8” sockets, SK 7mm to 19mm
3/8” Torx bits, Stanley T10-T50
3/8” Metric bits, Husky 4, 5, 6, 8, 10 mm, #2,#3 Phillips
3/8” plug socket, Husky 5/8"
3/8” ratchet, Stanley 7-85-715
10 mm ratcheting wrench, Kobalt 338397
These fit in two Klein pouches, tucked away under back seat with tow strap, jumper cables, tie downs, fastener assortment, foot pump, 8mm-19mm combo wrenches, spare fuses, multimeter, OBD2 tester.
(10-01-2018, 12:15 AM)Houtman_imp Wrote: [ -> ]Always buy high quality tools , I have a German socket set : Kampmann , bought 55 years ago and still perfect , also like the Gedore wrenches. Low quality tools will give busted knuckles , rounded nuts and bolts and LOTS of frustration. Buy tools ONCE !
Good point! Definitely do NOT buy cheap tools. Decent ones will pay for themselves.
If the roll-away in my garage is stolen or I need more tools than tucked away in my truck, my backup/spare tool bag has these (still limited to 19 mm):
Channellock 909 crimpers (USA)
Channellock 3017 long nose (USA)
Channellock 338 diagonal cutters (USA)
Channellock 908 multi wire stripper/crimpers (USA)
Crescent 10” adjustable end wrench (USA)
Channellock 357 end nippers (USA)
Channellock 369 linesman pliers (USA)
Channellock 430 arc groove pliers (USA)
Irwin 7R Visegrips (USA), Irwin 4LN Visegrips (USA)
Klein 604-3, #0 x 3” Phillips screwdriver (USA)
Klein 608-3, 1/8 x 3” screwdriver (USA)
Bondhus T9-T40 Torx L wrench set (USA)
Bondhus 1.5-10 mm metric L wrench set (USA)
Bondhus 0.050-3/8” fractional L wrench set (USA)
3/8 drive 1”, 3” 6” extensions, Craftsman 43537, 44264, 44261 (USA)
3/8 drive Craftsman 44373 #4 Phillips bit
Husky awl 693-239 (USA)
Klein 601-4, 3/16 x 4” screwdriver (USA)
Klein 600-4, ¼ x 4” screwdriver (USA)
Klein 603-4, #2 Phillips x 4” screwdriver (USA)
Klein 603-3, #1 Phillips x 3” screwdriver (USA)
Stanley 7-85-715 3/8 drive ratchet
Stanley 8-19 mm Metric combination wrench set/roll bag
SK Wayne 7-19 mm 3/8 drive socket set/metal tray (USA)
Stanley 16 oz ball peen hammer
Klein 603-6, #3 Phillips x 6’ screwdriver (USA)
Klein 600-6, 5/16 x 6” screwdriver (USA)
Klein 600-8, 3/8 x 8” screwdriver (USA)
For working on the CB, missing would be the larger wrenches and 1/2" drive sockets, but otherwise could do most of the work on it and then some.