(05-18-2013, 05:02 AM)DIAMONDBACK_imp Wrote: [ -> ]I just picked-up my bike last Thursday (May 16th). My tool pouch contains only: a philips screwdriver & handle, an allen wrench and a small fuse puller.
I checked a Honda parts guide for this bike, and it shows a complete tool kit with several wrenches and a rear shock adjusting tool.
I don't know if the other tools were "borrowed" before I took delivery, or if the other tools are "optional" for purchase.
Thanks for the Help...............Art
What bothers me the most about the anemic tool kit is that the owner's manual mentions using "the" spanner tool to adjust the rear shocks. The manual makes it sound as if the spanner, and maybe other tools, were meant to be in the toolkit. I took this concern to my dealer two days after bringing the bike home, and I was assured that is the way of things nowadays. I guess a few $ saved on toolkit parts, is that much more $ for Honda. They certainly wouldn't bump the MSRP of $9999 for the cost of $15 worth of tools. My 2002 Honda 919, $7999MSRP, had a full toolkit. Shame on Honda.
Why couldn't they remove the countless reflectors in favor of adding a half-decent toolkit?
(05-26-2013, 02:42 PM)jodyz_imp Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2013, 05:02 AM)DIAMONDBACK_imp Wrote: [ -> ]I just picked-up my bike last Thursday (May 16th). My tool pouch contains only: a philips screwdriver & handle, an allen wrench and a small fuse puller.
I checked a Honda parts guide for this bike, and it shows a complete tool kit with several wrenches and a rear shock adjusting tool.
I don't know if the other tools were "borrowed" before I took delivery, or if the other tools are "optional" for purchase.
Thanks for the Help...............Art
What bothers me the most about the anemic tool kit is that the owner's manual mentions using "the" spanner tool to adjust the rear shocks. The manual makes it sound as if the spanner, and maybe other tools, were meant to be in the toolkit. I took this concern to my dealer two days after bringing the bike home, and I was assured that is the way of things nowadays. I guess a few $ saved on toolkit parts, is that much more $ for Honda. They certainly wouldn't bump the MSRP of $9999 for the cost of $15 worth of tools. My 2002 Honda 919, $7999MSRP, had a full toolkit. Shame on Honda.
Why couldn't they remove the countless reflectors in favor of adding a half-decent toolkit?
If you look at the prices that they charge for the tools they deleted from the kit (not what they actually cost them to acquire) it's a bit more than $15.
(05-26-2013, 02:42 PM)jodyz_imp Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2013, 05:02 AM)DIAMONDBACK_imp Wrote: [ -> ]I just picked-up my bike last Thursday (May 16th). My tool pouch contains only: a philips screwdriver & handle, an allen wrench and a small fuse puller.
I checked a Honda parts guide for this bike, and it shows a complete tool kit with several wrenches and a rear shock adjusting tool.
I don't know if the other tools were "borrowed" before I took delivery, or if the other tools are "optional" for purchase.
Thanks for the Help...............Art
What bothers me the most about the anemic tool kit is that the owner's manual mentions using "the" spanner tool to adjust the rear shocks. The manual makes it sound as if the spanner, and maybe other tools, were meant to be in the toolkit. I took this concern to my dealer two days after bringing the bike home, and I was assured that is the way of things nowadays. I guess a few $ saved on toolkit parts, is that much more $ for Honda. They certainly wouldn't bump the MSRP of $9999 for the cost of $15 worth of tools. My 2002 Honda 919, $7999MSRP, had a full toolkit. Shame on Honda.
Why couldn't they remove the countless reflectors in favor of adding a half-decent toolkit?
DOT requires all of those reflectors.
I think Honda stopped putting the traditional full potmetal tool kits on their U.S. bikes around 2005 or so. My 2007 VFR 800 didn't have the full kit. Oddly my Bking came with traditional full tool kit in a little box under the left side cover. I know the usefullness of those pot metal tool kits is limited but it still kinda nice to have. In anycase they are very inexpensive to buy on line vendors.
Those are retail prices. Admittedly, $15 was a lowball figure, but my point was that it couldn't cost Honda that much money keep the tools with the bike. Recall that the owner's manual is written with language that would make the owner assume the tools were included. I wonder if other English speaking countries (AUS, NZ, GB, etc) have complete toolkits which might explain why the owner's manual wasn't changed.
The sparse toolkits probably comes down to product liability. If they gave us the tools, they would be encouraging us to work on our own bikes. Someone out there will skin a knuckle and sue.. or claim mental distress when they could not figure out which way to turn a nut, and sue.
Sadly, as history has shown, they'd probably sue and win, or threaten to sue and get a $$$ settlement of some kind outside of court.
So in the U.S. we're all forced into the lowest safest common denominator..