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Yea...it's really more a matter " let's let this puppy run the way the engineers designed it to run, before the politicians and safety Nazi's got involved"

Basically the same attitude you have, when you run 120 kms in a 80km zone. (unless you don't do that, in which case I'll come up with another analogy )

Sounds great! I bet it runs a lot better. Even thou they run good stock. I need his phone # so I can ask him about the 2014. The 13 & 14 are very different ECM. Wow I know you happy! Don't forget his phone #. I did have it from another post and called him but he never called me back
Michael

(05-01-2014, 09:24 AM)Tortuga_imp Wrote: [ -> ]I've got to say this is kinda funny.

You see, for a loooooong time we've been treated to bikes that have crazy bad top speeds, sublime handling, the tyre tech racers helped develop and unlimited horsepower.

So Honda decided to tap into our retro loving urges formed in our youth.

They spend untold sums making it 'authentic' and in doing so purposefully made concessions as to the 'efficiency' of the design.

Now, ironically we have people trying to replace this Honda 'asprin & a slug of whiskey' solution to our 'need for speed headache' with some Ibuprofen and GoJi berry juice'

The good thing is, it's history repeating itself.

Tired of the finely honed 'weapons of license destruction' we've been weaned on and consumed with an unquenchable thirst, we now want to 'tinker'.

Yes, we're now that same guy we were as teenagers, trying to de restrict our mopeds, big bore our 125's and generally have a say, and a part in making the changes.

The fact is, as much fun as it is to win a million pounds, it's far more satisfying to earn half a million.

In this respect, I think it's the means, rather than the ends that drive our brave pioneers of today to take a good bike and make it better.

There are already too many good bikes out there that leave little or no challenge for the owner in terms of useful modifications. That's taken the fun out of ownership, which is why I predict a future of people buying superficially 'inferior' bikes and spending the next 5 years 'getting them just right'.

The good news for us riders is that we will spend less on new bikes and instead plough the money into 'trick bits' for our projects. The manufacturers will no doubt sell less of this type of bike as they become 'keepers', but will expand their aftermarket accessory range to make profit recoups from.

Just my opinion.

Tortuga.

+1

(05-01-2014, 02:57 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]Even though I have no interest in having this done, for some reason I'm crazy curious to see how yours turns out.

fingers crossed CIP

+1

(05-01-2014, 09:44 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]Yea...it's really more a matter " let's let this puppy run the way the engineers designed it to run, before the politicians and safety Nazi's got involved"

Basically the same attitude you have, when you run 120 kms in a 80km zone. (unless you don't do that, in which case I'll come up with another analogy )

I disagree. Did you see the video where the engineers discussed at length their design goals for the CB? They specifically said that performance took a back-seat to having a smooth, easy to manage power band that made riding the bike like "taking a walk in the park." The only time "power" was mentioned was a passing comment to the effect of "it's there if you need it."

They may have put the speed limiter on the bike to meet a Japanese legal requirement, but I think that was irrelevant in context with the overall design.

(05-02-2014, 01:24 AM)The Spaceman_imp Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2014, 09:44 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]Yea...it's really more a matter " let's let this puppy run the way the engineers designed it to run, before the politicians and safety Nazi's got involved"

Basically the same attitude you have, when you run 120 kms in a 80km zone. (unless you don't do that, in which case I'll come up with another analogy )

I disagree. Did you see the video where the engineers discussed at length their design goals for the CB? They specifically said that performance took a back-seat to having a smooth, easy to manage power band that made riding the bike like "taking a walk in the park." The only time "power" was mentioned was a passing comment to the effect of "it's there if you need it."

They may have put the speed limiter on the bike to meet a Japanese legal requirement, but I think that was irrelevant in context with the overall design.

I disagree. Did you see the video where the engineers discussed at length their design goals for the CB? They specifically said that performance took a back-seat to having a smooth, easy to manage power band that made riding the bike like "taking a walk in the park." The only time "power" was mentioned was a passing comment to the effect of "it's there if you need it."

They may have put the speed limiter on the bike to meet a Japanese legal requirement, but I think that was irrelevant in context with the overall design.
I disagree with your disagreement. I read very carefully the designers ideas, hopes, dreams for this motorcycle. Probably have it stored in my favorites. They said horsepower wasn't a priority, that they could have made it with as much horsepower as the goal was, but high horsepower was not the goal. They said a smooth, pleasant ride was a priority ( see we read/watched the same thing and agree on what they said)...NEVER did they say our goal is to limit rpms in the first couple of gears or our design criteria is to limit the speed to 112 miles per hour. That was the lawyers and politicians idea, NOT designers/engineers IMO.

Reflashing the ECU or whatever has not made it any more powerful (at least not appreciably), it just let the motor run how the engineers designed it to run. Again IMO

(05-02-2014, 07:25 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2014, 01:24 AM)The Spaceman_imp Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2014, 09:44 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]Yea...it's really more a matter " let's let this puppy run the way the engineers designed it to run, before the politicians and safety Nazi's got involved"

Basically the same attitude you have, when you run 120 kms in a 80km zone. (unless you don't do that, in which case I'll come up with another analogy )

I disagree. Did you see the video where the engineers discussed at length their design goals for the CB? They specifically said that performance took a back-seat to having a smooth, easy to manage power band that made riding the bike like "taking a walk in the park." The only time "power" was mentioned was a passing comment to the effect of "it's there if you need it."

They may have put the speed limiter on the bike to meet a Japanese legal requirement, but I think that was irrelevant in context with the overall design.

I disagree. Did you see the video where the engineers discussed at length their design goals for the CB? They specifically said that performance took a back-seat to having a smooth, easy to manage power band that made riding the bike like "taking a walk in the park." The only time "power" was mentioned was a passing comment to the effect of "it's there if you need it."

They may have put the speed limiter on the bike to meet a Japanese legal requirement, but I think that was irrelevant in context with the overall design.
I disagree with your disagreement. I read very carefully the designers ideas, hopes, dreams for this motorcycle. Probably have it stored in my favorites. They said horsepower wasn't a priority, that they could have made it with as much horsepower as the goal was, but high horsepower was not the goal. They said a smooth, pleasant ride was a priority ( see we read/watched the same thing and agree on what they said)...NEVER did they say our goal is to limit rpms in the first couple of gears or our design criteria is to limit the speed to 112 miles per hour. That was the lawyers and politicians idea, NOT designers/engineers IMO.

Reflashing the ECU or whatever has not made it any more powerful (at least not appreciably), it just let the motor run how the engineers designed it to run. Again IMO

I disagree. Did you see the video where the engineers discussed at length their design goals for the CB? They specifically said that performance took a back-seat to having a smooth, easy to manage power band that made riding the bike like "taking a walk in the park." The only time "power" was mentioned was a passing comment to the effect of "it's there if you need it."

They may have put the speed limiter on the bike to meet a Japanese legal requirement, but I think that was irrelevant in context with the overall design.
I disagree with your disagreement. I read very carefully the designers ideas, hopes, dreams for this motorcycle. Probably have it stored in my favorites. They said horsepower wasn't a priority, that they could have made it with as much horsepower as the goal was, but high horsepower was not the goal. They said a smooth, pleasant ride was a priority ( see we read/watched the same thing and agree on what they said)...NEVER did they say our goal is to limit rpms in the first couple of gears or our design criteria is to limit the speed to 112 miles per hour. That was the lawyers and politicians idea, NOT designers/engineers IMO.

Reflashing the ECU or whatever has not made it any more powerful (at least not appreciably), it just let the motor run how the engineers designed it to run. Again IMO
I disagree with your disagreement of his disagreement.

The bike is what it is. We don't go 112+ mph everywhere! and if we do, buy one of the 50 other bikes that do that 'out the box'.

There are no conspiracy theories surrounding the bike, the speed limiter, or which markets it was shipped to.

I think a lot of people are a) making a big fuss about nothing and b) trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

If none of the above apply then c) you bought the wrong motorbike buddy-boy!

Well, it doesn't apply to me... But I understand the principal.

(05-02-2014, 08:51 AM)The ferret_imp Wrote: [ -> ]Well, it doesn't apply to me... But I understand the principal.

Herding cats Mickey, herding cats!

yep